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Josh Darnell replying to Lamak
Interesting!
Lamak
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343890/the-company-s-commitment-to-rebuilding-the-relationship-with-you-our-community?noredirect=1#comment1152061_343890
Lamak replying to Josh Darnell
yup...I even got a reply from miss chipps
Josh Darnell
[The company’s commitment to rebuilding the relationship with you, our community](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343890/the-company-s-commitment-to-rebuilding-the-relationship-with-you-our-community)
Pax
Hey Jack, may I ask that you export rows from the community table? (Ideally, it'd be nice to have seeds of all data but I understand if that'd be too much to ask.) I'm going to create E2E tests using Cypress as I refactor the code.
Jack Douglas replying to Pax
any time — though I get the impression we are in quite different time zones…
Pax replying to Jack Douglas
And thank you for answering my questions!
Pax
Alright! Thanks. :D
Jack Douglas
thanks for sticking with this btw :)
Jack Douglas
does that make sense?
Jack Douglas
authorization is than handled by the api based on the auth cookie
Jack Douglas
there are only two 'real' database users apart from the superuser
Jack Douglas
pg_hba.conf:  
  
```  
#TYPE   DATABASE    USER        CIDR-ADDRESS          METHOD
local   all         postgres                          ident map=map
local   postgres    get                               trust
local   postgres    post                              trust  
```
Jack Douglas replying to Pax
no, trust authentication
Pax
Hey @Jack — Is it correct that topanswers.xyz uses peer authentication to connect to the database?
Jack Douglas
GitHub is misbehaving today
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Yes. Some people on SE have been jumping around to dozens of rooms, posting a message here and there on occasion. Actively leaving a room is useful.
Jack Douglas
https://topanswers.xyz/meta?q=505#a621
Jack Douglas
if you don't chat in a room for long enough it won't show anymore
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
you mean not have it show in the list on the right?
Adám
Is it possible to leave a room?
Adám
Thank you for listening. I'm way beyond bedtime too. Sleep well!
Jack Douglas
I've run out of day, thanks for all your help and input today. It's really useful
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
How about letting `…` open a menu that shows all items at once — with visible labels for what the buttons do?
Jack Douglas
and the 'edit' icon and 'history' icon occupy the same slot
Jack Douglas
as much as possible
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
yes
Jack Douglas
there will probably end up being more lesser-used functions in there over time
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Ah, you mean they have fixed positions in the 2-by-2 grid?
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
I prefer them not to move
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
So? If there are only 4, then show those 4, no?
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
some icons appear depending on context
Adám
@Jack It bothers me a bit that the very often used chat msgs reply arrow changes position based on the length of the message. Wouldn't it be better to have all the controls flush right? Also, why the `…` as the 4th icon only to reveal a 4th icon? 
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
OK, I've [logged](https://github.com/topanswers/topanswers/issues/35) the issue.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
I wondered about doing that :)
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
done
Adám
@Jack Can you erase all my messages in the Sandbox?
Adám
Huh, it needed a page refresh to render my first messages.
Adám
@Jack Is it intentional that I can't write anything to the Sandbox chat?
Adám
That'd subtly indicate that it relates to the left pane.
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
True, but how about if you align the search box so its right edge is just above the splitter?
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
only the 'search' box would be out of place
Adám
But "correctly too", I mean because the top bar is *incorrect* in being separate from chat, in that it relates to TA as a whole (to which chat belongs) and to my profile (which is used in chat too).
Jack Douglas
maybe you are right, we will definitely give this some more thought
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Ah right, on edit pages. Even more reason to have to full-width throughout.
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
The vertical splitter does that job (correctly too).
Jack Douglas
it's full width on various other pages
Jack Douglas
the plus side is that it helps delineate the Q&A and the chat
Jack Douglas
I admit the inconsistency there
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
topanswers.xyz has a full-width top bar, and if you really want to keep the feeling of a single site with various subject areas (as opposed to SE that really has the feeling of multiple sites) then I think that top bar should be the one constant anchor point.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
hmm, well I'm mostly with you on the objective ones (just not the full width top bar) and sympathetic on the others — the only one with a concrete plan is to have visible drag handles on the the central resizer.
Adám
Among more subjective things are the harsh contrasts, unnecessary borders, and lack of a dark theme.
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Some of each. E.g. the draggable borders to resize Q-vs-chat and notifications-vs-messages and the click-to-zoom divider between room icons and user icons are objectively hard to discover (and for the notifications-vs-messages, even hard to hit). The top bar not going across the whole screen is more subjective, but also somewhat misleading, as it includes my profile icon which *does* apply to both Q&A and chat. Same with the equally thick Q-vs-chat border and chat-vs-rooms area which doesn't signal that the rooms area only relates to the chat.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
something like that would be simple and work, yes. 
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Suggestion:  
![Untitled.png](/image?hash=ccbb93f27aa8bfccfe9cf8efff86057997c7c621eba67ad362a4e7a6bc5746ae)
Adám
Exactly. Use title and cursor changes everywhere, but don't *rely* on them.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
I like the idea of right-justified!
Jack Douglas
well it is a useful hint — you wouldn't want to remove 'title' attributes entirely, just not make reading them *essential*, right?
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
:hover again!
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Maybe if you keep the selector as no, but put additional rooms' icons right-justified.
Jack Douglas
especially if the pointer changes on hover
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
dunno about discoverability — people tend to click on things they can see
Jack Douglas
didn't check which message you replied to!
Jack Douglas
I yes I see where I went wrong
Jack Douglas
I'd forgotten about the other
Jack Douglas
oh that's confusing — I was almost exclusively talking about the chat room purpose notification
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
That'd be confusing, I think, since not everyone in the room would see the same "messages".
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
We're having two parallel conversations. One is about chat room purpose notification and the other about room icons.
Jack Douglas
from 'community' or something
Jack Douglas
how about a 'fake' chat message?
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
I think inside is better, as the word "this" points at the actual chat area and not at the UI, and keeps the UI more consistent instead of "jumping" the input pane down.
Jack Douglas
so squash the chat pane up a bit and put the message vertically below
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
I mean visible not hidden
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Sounds good (one less click) but again, discoverability without hover would plummet.
Jack Douglas
or even before the chat pane entirely, just under where you type?
Adám
Clear an area below the last message.
Jack Douglas
it should probably be a sort of banner then instead of just blurb in the middle of that area
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Exactly what I was in the middle of writing.
Jack Douglas
display if never chatted in a question room?
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Yes, making it even more likely that they're going to see a used chat (by opening an existing question) before they see an empty one.
Jack Douglas
we can't clutter up the interface for the rest of us so would need to find a way of displaying the message only to those who need it
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
mainly if they are new to the site though
Jack Douglas
I'm thinking of swapping out the room selector below for a line of room icons for the site rooms
Adám
@Jack When no messages have been written to a post chat room, the text:  
> This is a dedicated room for discussion about this question.
>
> You can direct a comment to the question poster (or any answer poster) via the 'comment' link under their post.  
  
is shown, but this text is pretty important even for users joining the room after active chat has begun.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
that's lovely, thanks
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
[Suggested icon](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edit_In_Sandbox_Icon_-_Color.svg)
Jack Douglas
done
Jack Douglas
that's a great idea!
Adám
@Jack Chat room request for Meta: Sandbox (to test chat features) like https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1/sandbox
Jack Douglas
because .se is actually a valid domain
Jack Douglas
it does only for a defined list of sites
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
indeed it should but when we fix that it will fix your message retrospectively :)
Adám
Uh, `nnnn.SE` should expand to `.stackexchange.com`!
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
That'd be a good place for a community notice like the one on codegolf.SE and judaism.SE
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
In the area above the Q&A where is says 'questions' right now, I'd like to see community branding and perhaps more
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
I agree, but it sure has lots of links to various info. (Oh, the community notice isn't part of the top bar, btw.)
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
I think SE's topbar is a total mess :S
Adám replying to Jack Douglas
Yes, FF.
Jack Douglas replying to Adám
are you using Firefox? I get that too but not in Chrome
Adám
That's odd, my previous message is so long that it gets its own scroll bar, but if I scroll it, the whole chat pane gets blurred.