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Using KOMA script while retaining control of page geometry 2

koma

nsajko nsajko

9 As per samcarter's comment, this is caused by the `article` class having a different value for footskip than `scrartcl`.

nsajko

KOMA-Script and package perpage 4

koma floats

nsajko nsajko

Can I add a page break penalty that varries by context? 5

koma

Caleb Caleb

2 I didn't test this, so I'm entirely unsure whether it does what it should in your context.

Skillmon

Variable page break penalty for odd/even pages? 5

koma

Caleb Caleb

1 You can try to use the command `\ifthispageodd{<true part>}{<false part>}`, which is part of KOMA-Script. It uses a label in the .aux file and therefore needs at least two LaTeX passes to function. In your case it could look like:

Matthias

chat

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samcarter replying to निरंजन

... and rabbits will just dig a burrow between the fast code and the good code :P

निरंजन

https://www.xkcd.com/844 :cry:

Skillmon

(at least most of the times)

Skillmon replying to Joseph Wright

for me it's `:let b` then up and enter.

निरंजन replying to Joseph Wright

Smart editors always make lives easy, maybe his doesn't :P

निरंजन replying to Joseph Wright

Haha :)

Joseph Wright

:-)

Joseph Wright replying to निरंजन

I guess 'people who routinely log issues/ideas/test results'

Joseph Wright replying to Skillmon

Most of the time it makes no odds - I switch to release if it seems relevant (it's just a drop-down in my editor, so it's easy)

निरंजन replying to Skillmon

Haha, three things and I failed to understand it yesterday. 1) It is more common for me to say "not me" than "not I". 2) Funnily, the font at my home system has a confusing shape for `I` that resembles with `|`. So I thought `| ↑↑↑` is a mathematical notation. 3) Wikipedia said that `↑↑↑` is Knuth's way of marking long integers (making it worse for me). Maybe I was too sleepy yesterday.. :joy:

निरंजन replying to Skillmon

Worst thing to ask for is an explanation for the joke, but not familiar with the notation, so I pass on this :P

Skillmon replying to निरंजन

certainly not I ↑↑↑ :P

Skillmon replying to Joseph Wright

sorry to disappoint you, but when I'm answering questions I don't use `-dev`.

निरंजन replying to Joseph Wright

Just curious, who qualifies to be "friends" with project? :P

निरंजन replying to Joseph Wright

Yeah, even I need it for my release, so I was wondering if I should release and then ask people to use dev or wait till it gets released, but since it is very close I will release my software :)

निरंजन replying to Joseph Wright

Oh yess! Sorry, I misunderstood that the date was of the publication of the news and didn't check it.

Joseph Wright replying to निरंजन

Of course, the 'project and friends' are all running dev anyway :-)

Joseph Wright

We do put the nominal release date in the news :-)

Joseph Wright

I expect to do the upload Friday morning (I am teaching in the afternoon)

Joseph Wright replying to निरंजन

The pattern is nominally 06-01 and 11-01, but it depends on how busy I am the day before

samcarter replying to निरंजन

I would expect sometime around 2025-11-01

निरंजन

When will the changes from [ltnews42](https://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex-dev/base/ltnews42.pdf) be public? Is there any predictable pattern to when do -dev formats become the usual generic ones?

samcarter

For cheese fans: https://stockage.framapiaf.org/framapiaf/media_attachments/files/115/418/448/006/755/147/original/5ec1666292a73bc1.jpg

निरंजन replying to Skillmon

Thanks for the explanation :)

Skillmon replying to निरंजन

Yes, it's more robust to provide a setup macro, which is why most modern packages do that. Parsing key=value options is problematic, even if you use the new mechanism of the raw options list (as do `\ProcessKeyOptions`, `expkv-opt`, and `scrbase`) everything passed there has to survive a round of `\zap@space` (since the zapped list will still be assigned). Expansion control might help with that (in `\ProcessKeyOptions`-using lists you can use `key:c = macro` instead of `key = \macro` to pass in `\macro` without that being fully expanded in the zapping list, similarly in `expkv-opt`-parsing you can use `c: key = macro` to achieve the same -- unfortunately `l3keys` doesn't use the same syntax as `expkv`)

samcarter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykNBNcj2KeM  
  
^^^ This would be brilliant with ducksay!

निरंजन replying to samcarter

Thanks for sharing. It is difficult for me to stand the mix of `@`s and `_`s now.. :smile:

samcarter replying to निरंजन

I didn't find an example in the wild, but with some experimentation, I figured out how the option works :)  
  
https://github.com/josephwright/ltx-talk/pull/102/files

निरंजन

Since there are known problems in key-values for `\usepackage` (i.e., `zap@space`), should modern packages rely less on package options? In my recent package bundle, I have a key-processing command that takes care of the local as well as global options. I did it when I didn't know the problems caused by `\zap@space`. Turns out that it is safer in general. Should/could this be a strategy for package writing?

निरंजन replying to samcarter

I suppose you got the answer? I was keeping an eye on it :)

samcarter

Oh, an Italian duck!

CarLaTeX replying to samcarter

Qua qua qua!

samcarter

Quack!

samcarter

![](https://meeting.contextgarden.net/2026/poster-ctx-2026.png)  
  
^^^ I think what they need is the `\lens` macro from [pst-optic](https://ctan.org/pkg/pst-optic) :)

samcarter replying to barbara beeton

A good soul on mastodon shared this -- didn't have to dig this up :)

barbara beeton replying to samcarter

Wow!  How do you have time to dig up all these goodies and still get any "real work" done?

samcarter

"You Have Been LaTeXpOsEd: A Systematic Analysis of Information Leakage in Preprint Archives Using Large Language Models"  
  
https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.03761

निरंजन

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samcarter replying to CarLaTeX

rather entertaining :)

CarLaTeX replying to samcarter

I've just read the comments :D

samcarter

If one can be allergic to `\LaTeX`, maybe I have a ms word allergy?  
  
Just in case, I think there should be warning signs on books etc. if they were written in word :P

samcarter

https://meow.social/@Doveux/115349394458908477

samcarter replying to Skillmon

I mostly solved the overlay package problem: instead of the package, I'm now only loading it via `\usetikzlibrary{overlay-beamer-styles}` and for the doc, I've create various texdoc aliases :)

Skillmon replying to samcarter

***y**et **a**nother **g**rand **u**nified **sy**mbol **lo**ader* doesn't sound to hard to remember :P At least it's not the beamer overlay awareness package for Ti*k*Z `boas`, `obas`, `abos`, `aosb`, `aobs`, `oasb` or whatever.

samcarter

(I'm not sure I will be able to remember that package name...)

samcarter

Package in the spotlight: [yagusylo](https://www.ctan.org/pkg/yagusylo)

samcarter replying to निरंजन

Thanks!

निरंजन replying to samcarter

Congratulations on the release! Wonderful metaphor :)

samcarter

![da97a6a24ae9484d.png](/image?hash=98f7b44613284513c72bf3a400c3abbe2aa623c986a7550b77ea130c7a481d38)  
  
The new [`panda`](https://ctan.org/pkg/panda) package currently makes its way around the ctan mirrors.   
  
Many thanks in particular to @Skillmon for all their helpful answers here!

samcarter replying to barbara beeton

With such a recommendation, the videos are directly climbing to the top of my to-be-watched-list :D