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5 years ago JeT

I dont get to see all my students in these troubled times and I need to adapt.

I need their feedbacks on my content and I expect to get that with an editable box in beamer.

When they follow the lecture, they would be able to comment upon each slide in a dedicated editable box in pdf. At the end of the course, they click on a button (to validate their presence) and send me the metadata (i wish) of their comments (via email, re-wish).

I can work on the next course with the summary of their comments, slide by slide, student by student.

I’d like to use the second screen display to do so (it’s not done for that, but the format is pretty convenient IMO).

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Button at the end of the slides

First step, they save their slides in a directory, but ultimately i’d prefer the meta data to be sent (feasible ?).

Top Answer
5 years ago samcarter

As @Marmot already mentioned in the chat, it is a known limitation of pgfpages that links and similar objects will stay at their original location. This means you can work around the problem by making sure that the page with the links/forms/etc. does not need to move

Approach 1

Place the form in a normal frame on the left hand site:

Approach 2

Place the notes on the left hand site

Approach 3

Don’t use the second screen option and show the notes on their own pages

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JeT replying to samcarter — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 13:05

interesting prospective !! then each element of this single form could be named as \slidepage or any prefix/suffix that would make him unique (to grab metadata).

samcarter replying to JeT — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 13:03

You can wrap \begin{Form}....\end{Form} around the whole document and then use the other stuff on as many pages you want

JeT replying to samcarter — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 12:55

I created in march 2 exams based on this idea. It was in exam class. A list of question on the pdf with editable box where students could write their answers. They validated the document and it went well. I could retrieve the metadata (their answers).

JeT replying to samcarter — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 12:55

I would not question… if…

JeT replying to samcarter — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 12:54

Merci SamCarter ! If I understand well, Ulrike advise not to use multiple forms in a document ?

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samcarter — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 12:21
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user 3.14159 replying to JeT — Monday, 26th Oct 2020 06:13

This code gives an error on my machine when compiled with pdflatex. How am I supposed to compile it? (I wanted to try something stupid.)

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JeT replying to user 3.14159 — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 19:11

Ah ! Lucky me then. Our Blackboard allows a full display of pdfs files. So far my students use Adobe basic tools to annotate. IT’s ok to cope with 4/5 files manually to look for comments. I thought it’d be more convenient to let them type what they want and get only metadata, I could easily gather (imagine with 80 students as I have in some class…).

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user 3.14159 — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:58

I once came across a talk (by Will Robertson, I think) which discussed how to “hack” canvas and to steer it with LaTeX and scripts. So some people have thought about this already. However, it turns out that at different universities different policies are in place, for instance I am forced to go through their web interface. There are also tools like perusall available that let students annotate your pdf lectures.

samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:54

(without show notes on second screen might also be safer if you don’t know if the students have access to big screens)

samcarter replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:52

Ah, so the other way round. Sorry!

JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:50

Actually, I need the web front end to input the parameters (pgfkeys) that LaTeX backend would gobble (running your great latexmk) to generate taylor made documents.

samcarter replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:47

This will be a question of how much latex you need, For small things have a look at katex

samcarter replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:45

Another workaround: leave out the show notes on second screen in the student version and they’ll have the notes as normal pages

JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:44

My ultimate dream is to coordinate a web based front end, with a LaTeX back end. If you have anything I can read about that, i’ll learn.

JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:43

I see what you mean with the problem of positionning !

JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:33

Oh totally agreed. I had a new type of exam during the (1st) lockdown. Acrobat was fine, but other viewers are indeed random and flattened the editable boxes. My goal is really to “save” the shy and discrete students from disappearing in nature… With remote teaching, I cannot reach them or ask them questions directly. So If they agree to it, while they follow the course, i’d like them to amend or ask questions in the editable form. I adapt my slides for the following course or make a reference to their interrogations in the first 20 minutes of summary of the previous course.

samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:27

Unrelated to the actual problem, but I would rather use some online survey because many pdf viewers are not able to handle such forms

samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:24

Or if it must be on a note page, move the notes either to the left or to the top

samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:23
samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:23

It should work if you move the form to the left hand side, e.g. on a normal slide

samcarter replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 18:22

Thanks!

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JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 17:35

It sends to samcarter@supersympa.fr the metadata inputed in the pdfform.

JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 17:34

here we go :

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JeT replying to samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 14:17

Yes ! I send it to you when I am back home.

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samcarter — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 13:01

@JeT, re: your question, Can you show a working example without beamer?

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topnush replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 12:13

can you add the link here too please

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JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 11:29
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user 3.14159 replying to JeT — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 00:09

I really do not know what is best. Some suggest that shy students are comfortable talking to other students but not to the instructor. Yet I fully agree that there might be shy students who feel comfortable talking to the instructor as long as fellow students are not listening. For those such forms would certainly be very useful. (I am also not sure to which extent the hyperlink location problem is unsolvable. Some statements in the pgf manual have to be taken with a grain of salt. Perhaps Alex Grahn would know.)

JeT replying to user 3.14159 — Sunday, 25th Oct 2020 00:01

I completely agree. but I was actually thinking about the shy students. Those who never raise their hand but keep writing. Their notes (I thought) would help me help them by creating content to read between courses.

user 3.14159 replying to JeT — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 23:52

I do not know about this. The pgfmanual has a clear message concerning hyperlinks. As for the other parts of the question, I cannot say much. There is also a more philosophical comment if you want the students to give the feedback in this way. One could argue that they might be better off if they discussed the lecture in private chat rooms to which the instructor has no access. Some of them are shy, and do not want to directly ask the instructor, let alone in a form. Yet this is only a private opinion.

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JeT — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 23:17

we cannot add editable button there with 2 screens.

JeT replying to user 3.14159 — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 23:16

Merci Marmot. So the answer to my main question is no 😃

user 3.14159 replying to JeT — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 23:10

Yes, it does. See the beginning of section 90 of pgfmanual 3.1.6a.
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JeT — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 21:56

Does the use of pgfpages prevent any hyperref usage ?

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JeT — Saturday, 24th Oct 2020 21:39

No luck on this one 😕

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