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5 years ago Anonymous 1669

I spend a significant portion of each day writing perfect questions to ask on Stack Exchange. Other than this place, it’s the last place online where it’s even technically possible to ask questions at all and stand a theoretical chance of getting non-idiots (or anyone at all) replying.

Lately, in the last few years, it’s become utterly impossible to get anything answered. No matter how clear I am, they simply do not read the question before replying. Consistently. I’ve wasted so much time trying to reason with them and explain myself over and over, but it’s meaningless. It’s literally like talking to robots or mentally ill people who simply cannot be reasoned with.

I like this site much better from a user experience point of view. You don’t have stupid, pointless requirements to enter names/nicknames/e-mail addresses, and no “tags” that have to be filled in.

Sadly, as you are well aware, a depressingly small amount of people seem to use it. So even though it’s superior to SE, which in itself seems to have very little traffic at this point, the “network effect” once again makes itself known. I’ve experienced the same thing myself, over and over again, until I gave up on trying to run websites myself. I would spend enormous amounts of time and efforts creating something and polish it for ages, but it was utterly hopeless to get anyone to even know that it existed.

The Internet is a myth. It just doesn’t work as advertised/assumed.

I’ve looked all over for ages for some kind of decentralized “new Usenet” kind of message exchange system, but it just doesn’t exist. Nothing exists. Every time I found a new P2P/decentralized project, I would always find that it’s a ghost town and nobody was actually using it. Then I gave up on it and stopped trying to entice people to care/use it, since they just don’t care. They seem completely apathetic.

There are a lot of fake things that claim to be the future, such as “SAFE Network” and “Ethereum”, but it’s all vaporware/fluff. Nothing actually usable when you really get down to it and start trying to use them. It’s all bold claims and wonderful promises and good-sounding words about security and privacy and decentralization, but in reality, it’s… nothing. Literally nothing.

Either that, or I’ve truly gone insane at this point and I’m just hallucinating all of this, and everyone else is actually communicating with each other using some kind of wonderful protocol.

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5 years ago Somebody

I spend a significant portion of each day writing perfect questions to ask on Stack Exchange

Are you serious? I am afraid that will not go down well, but: I doubt that. Nobody asks perfect (SE) questions on a daily basis.

Believe me, I was Nobody on SE. 😉

stand a theoretical chance of getting non-idiots (or anyone at all) replying

That sounds like a very negative view. For all its faults, this is definitely not what I am experiencing on the internet. Maybe you’re frequenting the wrong corners?

No matter how clear I am, they simply do not read the question before replying.

Communication always is about two parties (sender and receiver). All we can say is: The way you expressed yourself did not work with the audience you addressed. This can be as much a problem with the audience as with your end.

That being said, I must concur that there are real problems with the way many people operate on the internet and sometimes those people are us. Sometimes we are distracted, in a hurry, maybe doing things for the wrong reasons, and sometimes we are just incompetent without realizing.

If I’d have to place a wager on what drives most of those interactions you described above, I would say those people try to game the fake internet points system of SE to gain some traction on the site.

And now for the core of the problem:

  • I like this site much better from a user experience point of view…
  • a depressingly small amount of people seem to use [topanswers.xyz].

Small communities like the budding SE or this one thrive around a few power users that push them forward. At one point they either make it by attracting enough people to carry forward their momentum, or they exhaust their early users and die out.

When the community gains popularity, the kinds of people you reach expands. When you started, only the enthusiasts would participate. As your community grows, it is more likely to attract help vampires and free riders (“net negatives”) who will wear down your good contributors.

The community now needs to balance between attracting enough new users to counter the inadvertent drain of old users and attracting too many “net negative” users. One way to do this is to try filtering them out via self moderation/regulation, which will drive away some potential new users. This is basically the old “Be nice” vs. “High Quality” debate on SE, which really was about getting new users in vs. losing too many veterans due to a low quality question flood.

But there is one problem: The internet is huge. From the point of view of the “non-idiots” there is an endless stream of newbies who will not tire of asking the same questions over and over again, because they are clueless of the system and its history. Even when you educate them all, the on-slew of others will not end. Then, the community falls prey to its own success.

So there you have it: Communities either starve or choke on their success. Or …

I think one advantage of topanswers.xyz over SE is being no slave to investors. It might be possible to find a stable steady state but that puts a limit onto its size. Very likely, this requires a keen eye of the community to prevent changes from tipping it over into one or the other direction.

everyone else is actually communicating with each other using some kind of wonderful protocol.

I’d say the technology is there. Just step back for a moment and think about what is happening here: We are conversing with each other with potentially thousands of miles between us. Driven by open software which anyone willing can contribute to. It is built by people who overcame obstacles of language, distance, and culture to work together on a common goal.

Of course, like all technology, the internet can also be used to bad ends, so what we should do is this: Make the best out of it so the net impact of the technology is positive.

Is the Internet forever lost at this point?

It will be, if we give up the fight and hand it over to the “bad” side.

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Arioch replying to Anonymous 1677 — Tuesday, 17th Nov 2020 09:39

Opensource is all about cheap copying and cheap massive trying to do something, and on rare occasion doing something good that gets worth keeping around and copying form. That way ZeroNet’s “copy and enhance” model is at least worth a try, rather than internet’s catherdral “Take a rule book and take the professional tools and start building infrastructure, and maybe you would start publishing something worthy year later if LOL”.

What about “controlled by central party” - all opensource projects are property of their “benevolent dictator” until there is enough cannon fodder that makes much more input than him. Take the ubiquitous SQLite, it is also one man’s show.

And yes, p2p publishing does have little steam. I would agree is there waw some succesful serverless platform, with little entry barrier. And then rival would have to show a fat reason for switching. But there is no such thing yet. While IT giants seek to lower entry barriers and welcome people into their censored communities, should we keep P2P projects “only for hardcore techies” ?

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Anonymous 1677 — Sunday, 1st Nov 2020 10:41

@Arioch I’m well aware of Zeronet. It’s one of the countless obscure “kinda technically decentralized but actually controlled by a central party anyway” projects which nobody uses and is never going to go anywhere. I tried to use it until I realized that it was yet another hopeless thing where even the author(s) don’t care at all. Furthermore, I don’t understand why you would think that it’s a good thing that it encourages copying others’ work. As if the current Internet (and the world) isn’t absolutely full of fake/stolen content and identical cookie-cutter websites that should not exist at all.

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Arioch — Thursday, 29th Oct 2020 10:51

Also, there is some interesting project, ZeroNet. It is a p2p caching network with an interesting idea: when ytou want to start your own site (“Zite”) - you do CLONE the site you like and then start changing it. So, basically, if you started “something superior and polished” and then abandoned it, there is some shimmering chance someone would find it and use as a starting point for his own zite later.

Arioch — Thursday, 29th Oct 2020 10:48

Stack Exchange clearly pushes to be “first one to comment”. If you are trying to wreite detailed, multifaceted, long-term useful answer - you will almost always loose to some canned one-liners that covers one typical situation causing like 90% of the issue instances. As for the non-SE places, well, we do live through the Eternal September afterall 😄 But there are unpopular places like darknets, for example. You can not have popularity and elitism at once. Barriers (filters) are either high or low.

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Somebody replying to artaxerxe — Friday, 23rd Oct 2020 10:07

I thought the same but “we all know” is a large blanket to hide behind and motivations are very individual, so I just wanted to get a more concrete example.

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artaxerxe replying to Somebody — Friday, 23rd Oct 2020 09:04

Probably @Anonymus 1317 refers to the bias of SE’s towards owners’ interest. (I tried to summarize in one sentence more incidents, as good as possible.)

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Somebody replying to Anonymous 1317 — Thursday, 22nd Oct 2020 11:47

for reasons we all know

I am curious which reasons you mean by that.

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Anonymous 1317 — Thursday, 22nd Oct 2020 09:00

Sounds as though the asker has had a bad run on SE. It has happened to me in the past. People just don’t read the question before firing off an answer that is something you mentioned having already tried! Even more annoying when the answer then garners upvotes! There are fewer people prepared to give their time to SE for free, for reasons we all know, but if you’re desparate, it’s still worth a try. Just don’t take it personally!

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Jack Douglas — Thursday, 22nd Oct 2020 06:44

@Anonymous, can you post a couple of links to good examples of what you are talking about (great SE questions wih poor response)?

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user 3.14159 replying to claybrick — Wednesday, 21st Oct 2020 20:50

I share your view on SE but IMHO this does not mean that the internet per se is bad. The internet is just a tool which you can use in a beneficial and not-so-beneficial way, and it is up to users like you and me to make the best out of it. Ultimately even SE has some benefits since we can learn from the mistakes made there, and if I understand correctly this is happening here. However, as for your question “Is the Internet forever lost at this point?” I think that the answer is that it depends what all of us are making out of it.

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claybrick — Wednesday, 21st Oct 2020 19:50

@anonymous While some of your concerns may be justified, I would like to point out that, at least for me, the time I spent on SE, mainly SO, brought me to a quite negative view of the Internet and people in general, so things may not be as bad as they seem in this moment. Some communities here are already quite active and a slower growth can help to avoid mistakes that could lead to a similar degeneration of this site, but I understand that the lack of users can be disappointing at this point.

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user 3.14159 — Wednesday, 21st Oct 2020 18:47

@Anonymous, re: your question, The internet is at best as good as its users. You seem to assume that, if you have a question, there absolutely must be someone who really knows the answer and is very eager to share it with you. In general, this may not be the case. And even if this is the case, you can be almost certain that a third party wants to make money with the knowledge that others are happy to provide for free, which is why stackexchange exists. If I understand correctly, the philosophy of this site is not try to make money, but just to allow users to exchange their knowledge. Now you can participate and try out how far this gets you, yet I am not convinced that complaining about the internet as a whole will help. It is also up to you to make the best out of it.

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